Both... I have been fanning the flames . Seat have announced 2018 as you say. Both the two others will be available by the launch of the Ateca Plus as I'm calling it till it gets a name. Thus a full comparison can be made with the other two. It's to be built in Germany. If it's like the Kodiaq and Allspace you can get it with 5 seats as well as the 7 so a fair amount of flexibility. I suspect they will ditch the door in the rear wheel design for it. Interesting time to see how the Yeti II relates to the Ateca.