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I'm getting my Ateca on Friday and it got all the Excellence trim plus some extra but I'm missing the sound system only got the 8 speaker system.
Can you aftermarket install the subwoofer and the center speaker?
 

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If you have a look at the Ateca training manual it shows the speaker sizes

http://atecaforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=212&p=1306&hilit=technical+manual#p1306

Now it did from memory show a different headend for the Seat Sound System and normal. Some blurring between Navi Plus etc. P45. See P52 & P53.

I'm not a big one on car sub woofers. I doubt the central dash speaker adds much. So it comes down to the quality of the installed standard speakers. I got a long history of DIY on car speakers but when I bought the Ateca I decided I wouldn't change them and just get the Seat sound system.

I didn't think the standard speakers were bad when I did a mini test in a dealer. Obviously those who like to rattle the neighbours with a passing sub woofer won't find the standard speakers satisfactory.

You are probably off to some car HiFi specialist for fitting a fancy system or a bit of DIY on the 8 speaker system. First thing is to establish the make of what's fitted if you get the itch. Pulling out the mid range is generally easy. Tweeters a level up. As said after paying for the 10 speaker system I will stop at what I've got.
 

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I cant find the Ateca menual on that page. And i think its the same speakers on the 8 as on the 10. so if i install a sub and the center and then have the headunit coded then it shuld work .. hopefully :)
 

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The Sub etc are all configurable from the touch screen display so not sure how that would work with an after market setup. Also if the wiring exists within the car simple (some manufacturers have one loom and they just connect what is speced on the car) if not you will find yourself running wires (if they can be connected into the head unit harness) which will involve some interior trim lifting and hand up behind the dash.
 

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I would guess different software if you buy the Seat Sound System that shows the subwoofer. Possibly event a different headend. I've read about a seperate power amp that people have looked for on other Seats with the Seat Sound system. If it's sub woofer you would be handing the cash to somebody else to sort it out unless someone steps forward which has made it a project on the Ateca.

Hmmm missing manual, those Russians. I seem to have bought one litre of Saki tonight between two too last several days, didnt drink the bottle, so will attempt to re find the manual on the net. The Germans on the Ateca site have it but make you login.

A Google is throwing up the manual

vwts.ru/pps/pps_seat_163_seat_ateca_eng.pdf

Or Google

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=ateca+seat+ssp+no.163&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=kBf-V4qbB-bC8geH65-oCg&gws_rd=cr

(Yeah I know, first link)

I had the loveable Halford guys install an MD changer in my Altea, they did the carpet OK but totally wrecked the leather DSG gear changer by dropping the headend on it whilst working and shredding the gear lever leather. Jokers.

The speakers I did myself and if you do pop the covers in the Ateca, suspect standard Seat way of doing things you use an old credit card and screw driver so you don't scratch the door when prizing and then a TX screw driver to take them out. I may just have a look at mine when I get the car.
 

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I've read in other forum on installing the extra speakers in the Leon and that head unit needed to be coded with VCDS to enable the subwoofer funktion .. but the unit in the Ateca is a newer one so maby you don't need to code it just enable it in settings ..
 

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If enable existed you would hope to find it in the infotainment manual. Only two instances of the word subwoofer in the manual, one as the header and again on how to set the volume. You would think it would be in the backend green engineering menu perhaps?.

The issue you might have is that the PCP guys won't be hacking their speakers around too much so only those who have bought the car and not returning it on a pre defined period may be interested. As Vag says the loom may be there. Don't know about the hole for the central mid speaker.
 

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On the latter I don't believe unless it's like a laptop and it's a strip of 64gb memory that goes in. I think the technical authors have that wrong, I did think that when I read it, it can't be the same unit. There is a considerable premium on the Navigation Plus so I'm sure this will nag people for years as they try to turn their standard systems into Navigation Plus with 3D mapping, the speed and Gracenotes etc. Seat don't really do a good job of selling it's merits and have a high premium against it which then destroys people getting it.

I might take out one front speaker if it's easy so non Seat sound people can do the same. Would be interesting to determine the make of the speakers if possible.

PS that is the training manual I was giving you the link to further up. VAG do a series of these I've found the 2 LITRE TDI and posted up, there will be others.

The Leon speakers are supposed to be Canton in the Seat Sound system so I'd be interested in verifying this for the Ateca. I've seen the VW headend with a Technisat sticker on it, others say they are Pioneer.... it was a pretty decent unit Seat fitted to my Altea, that was just let down by poor speakers at the time. Since Mk3 Leon's Seat seems to have sorted out its speakers.
 

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Got a email today from Seat customer support .. it's not possible to upgrade your car to seat sound system afterwards. Ok that sucks :-( I will deffenetly look for some aftermarket subwoofer like the pioneer spare tire sub and use it with the 8 speaker system.
 

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How will you hook up an aftermarket sub/amp to the mediaplus/nav unit though?
Do the head units have any pre amp outputs? Can't see any on the tech cgi drawings, only a multiplug.
 

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I like a wiring guy, I misspelt Sake last night as Saki. In the Seat Sound System you do get the spare as well in the price, that's worth noting and the floor to cover it.
 

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How will you hook up an aftermarket sub/amp to the mediaplus/nav unit though?
Do the head units have any pre amp outputs? Can't see any on the tech cgi drawings, only a multiplug.
I think that's what the pre amp people search for on the Leon and find. The German Ateca board when feeling throwing the money to the wind, claim they only bought the Seat Sound System for the 10 speaker holes rather than the standard 8.

As I said before the standard sound system didn't sound too bad and resolved my abuse I gave it with resolving an African club remix track which use to get crucified by my Altea speaker till I changed them for Harmon Kardon speakers. At that time Seat speakers were not fitted with crossovers and the speaker material was paper rather than polymer cones. Both these were a contributing factor to poor sound.

I would ban all cars with subwoofers except mine ;) . I don't think you need the constant pounding.
 

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Mind you, you get the spare wheel with the Seat solution, think it was a bit cheaper, but then you might want the boot space. Interested to hear how they turn on the menu or does it just play along on the base notes irrespective like post fitting a sub woofer to a home system where the amp doesn't support a sub woofer. Clipping some audio from the mid range and adding it's own ?. A twiddly know to enable ?.

Presume it's this one

http://m.ebay.de/itm/281960792013?_mwBanner=1
 

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Looks like from that tech manual that on the plus/nav/navplus the display is literally just that, and the brains is in the J794 unit in the glove.
This has a VAG quadlock connector on it.
There are loads of things like this on ebay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quadlock-OEM-Amplifier-Integration-Lead-Adaptor-Loom-Connector-BMW-VW-SEAT-MERC-/361061167677?hash=item5410ec323d:g:neUAAOSwUV9WoHHP

which is just a quadlock extension with pre outs hanging on it... and its description even says

This lead allows connection of after market amplifiers to OEM quadlock radios.
Lead plugs inline of original quadlock connector and has 2x 2ch RCA pre outs for front / rear channels.
Original wiring is left completely untouched meaning the vehicle can always to returned to factory condition, simple plug and play installation with no cutting of OEM wires required.
its whether the required pins are active on the 8speaker units and how to get them outputting a signal if they are not??
Or does this just tap of the standard speaker outputs and those little boxes have cross overs in them??
 

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my dogs are really going to feel it from the sub woofer :lol:
 

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The blank area to the right in the glove box I've wondered whether the more advanced stuff goes in there. I had to get into the back connection and these interface boxes when I got HALFORDS to install an MD changer, they just ordered what I told them. Pretty useless otherwise. They got the MD changer in and I spent six weeks or so researching the interface boxes when they drew a blank on fitting it. I then went in and said you need to order this unit. This is all at the back of my unit hidden out of site, dangling about probably. That made the car think a CD changer was fitted when it was an MD changer. Sony to VAG interface as I recall.

I think I had a moan about sub woofers earlier so won't have it again ;).

(Poor dogs, let them put their heads out the window)
 
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