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Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Wilber6 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:47 am

Good morning everyone.
We all know that it is illegal to use your mobile for making/receiving calls and texts etc whilst driving, but what about using it as a music player (or sat nav for that matter)? What if it is in a dedicated mount like for a standalone sat nav unit? Can you be prosecuted for using it to change tracks, pause, start, that kind of thing? Similarly, I have used my ipod to play music in my car, would that be deemed illegal too even though it can't send or receive calls and texts?
I have often wondered about these issues. Does anyone have any thoughts or knows the answer?
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Re: Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Silvertouran » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:40 pm

It’s only illegal if you have it in your hand. That goes for any device , not just phones.
But they can prosecute you if they deem you to be driving erratically while playing with it.


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Re: Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Fred99 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:04 pm

In Spain, the rule is that you must not interact with the phone or separate satnav. However you can operate the Infotainment/nav system. It’s a very difficult law to police but if you have a phone in your hand you are in trouble.

The latest radars can spot this, together with not using seatbelts, and in the UK I believe they are using lorries with cameras for the same effect.
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Re: Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Golfmk56 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Silvertouran wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:40 pm
It’s only illegal if you have it in your hand. That goes for any device , not just phones.
But they can prosecute you if they deem you to be driving erratically while playing with it.
Not sure that's correct. I'm not aware of any law to say you can't use a handheld device, but there is a law to say you can be prosecuted for careless driving (or whatever the legal wording is nowadays). It's no different to smoking or eating in a car, both of which are not illegal but you could potentially be prosecuted for not being in control of your vehicle. I say prosecuted - more likely they'd give you a warning BUT if you happened to be eating or using an ipod and you're involved in an accident...

Phones and sat navs are an exception. As per above, it's illegal to use your phone whilst driving but many fail to realise it's also illegal to use it whilst in control of your vehicle. So if you're stopped in a queue of traffic or say waiting at traffic lights, you can be prosecuted for using your handheld phone or satnav. Same even goes if you pull over. I passed someone yesterday who had pulled over and stopped on a bend in the road and was using his phone. If caught he could well have been prosecuted - you must be parked safely.

The grey area is if you've stopped at traffic lights or waiting in a queue of traffic and you change music tracks on your phone, is that against the law? I reckon common sense would prevail and you'd be given a warning.


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Re: Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Wilber6 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 pm

I had a look at this subject, and using a mobile phone whilst driving in general, and found this article on the BBC website from 2017:

1 March 2017

New rules mean drivers caught using a phone within two years of passing their test will have their licence revoked.

The laws apply to drivers in England, Scotland and Wales.
It's just part of tougher punishments cracking down people using hand held phones while driving.
But where do you stand if you use a cradle or "hands free" whilst driving? We've been asking an expert to clear up some of the grey areas.
From today picking up your phone while driving - even if you're stopped in traffic or at lights - will get you at least six points.
Police forces have begun a seven-day crackdown, with extra patrols and an "increased focus" on stopping people using their phones while driving.
The AA told Newsbeat if you are using your phone while it is secured in a cradle it may be slightly different.
That's because technically the device is not handheld.
"But if you are involved in a collision as a result you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention," they said.
"That carries an even greater penalty, particularly if you injure or kill somebody, in which case you would be prosecuted for causing death by dangerous driving."
They say "your full focus should be on driving" every time you get behind the wheel. Ideally you should switch your phone off, or put it away, if you're driving.

We asked the motoring group some specific questions about using your phone in a cradle.

Can you use it as a sat-nav?
It should be programmed with the route before you set off.
If it pops up with a message which requires just one press of a button, such as 'A faster route has been found. Accept/ Decline' you should be OK to do this, as you would with an in-built sat-nav.
But if you need to re-programme the route then pull over and stop somewhere safe to do it.

Can you change your music while driving?
Set up your playlist before you set off.
Scrolling through songs will be a distraction and if the worst should happen, this would be driving without due care and attention.

Can I decline a call on my phone if it's in a cradle?
If your phone is connected to your Bluetooth or hands-free system then you should be able to use the button on your steering wheel to decline the call.
Otherwise, let it ring out or better still, have the phone off and in the glove box while you're driving so that you can't be tempted or distracted by it.

Can I make calls if I am using voice activation?
If you use the voice controls and the buttons on your steering wheel this is within the law but for safety, conversations should still be kept to a minimum - for example 'I'm stuck in traffic' or 'I'm running 10 minutes late.
This could actually enhance safety by taking the pressure off, so you're not so inclined to rush or speed, but anything much more in-depth than that should be avoided.

Can I read a text when it flashes up on screen in your cradled phone?
Reading it can still be a distraction and diverts your attention from the road.
The text will be there when you reach your destination, it can wait.
When you're driving, your full focus should be on driving.

Worth thinking about.................
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Re: Using a phone or mp3 player to play music/as a sat nav

Post by Golfmk56 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:39 pm

Jeez, talk about politicians not giving straight answers!

The AA told Newsbeat if you are using your phone while it is secured in a cradle it may be slightly different.

Slightly? It's totally different. Cars like VW up and SEAT Mii were sold with cradles for that very purpose. It's no different using a cradle than say using an infotainment system stuck on top of dash like BMW's screens.

Can you use it as a sat-nav? Straight answer is YES. Motoring group's advice applys equally to the SatNav in your Ateca.

Can you change your music while driving? Answer - YES. as per above.

Can I decline a call on my phone if it's in a cradle? Answer - YES. as per above.

Can I make calls if I am using voice activation? Answer - YES. as per above. In fact the motoring groups advice create a further grey area - what's the difference speaking thru voice activation and speaking to someone in the rear seat? Voice activation is probably safer as with rear seat passengers (especially kids) you have a tendancy to look at them thru mirror. Or if you're a parent on the school run, turn around and look at them whilst your travelling at 30mph in a built up area. I live next to a school - parents probably the worst culprits of all when it comes to driving with undue care and attention.

Can I read a text when it flashes up on screen in your cradled phone? Answer - YES. as per above.

None of the above specifically relating to a mobile phone is against the law. What is against the law is driving with undue care and attention and everything above applies equally to the infotainment unit in our cars.


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